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“If you look at what’s happening in America as people change their positions, just [as] I have, what happens is personal experience changes your position. The more gay friends you have, the more you see them adopting children and taking good care of them and being good parents, the more you think, who am I to say to them what they should call their relationship? If the law permits it or if a given church permits it, who are we to stand in the way?

“For people who don’t know a large number of gay people, who haven’t had experiences with stable gay families, it’s a different thing. So he took a risk. I think it’s the right position. I think it’s where we’re going. I think that he deserves credit for doing it.”